T:WTF 007 – Peter Manning and The SARB Blockchain POC

The Blockchain Will Disrupt Everything. The reason? It’s a distributed ledger and everything in capitalism is built on a ledger. Blockchain gets to the very foundation of what capitalism is built on. Project Khokha is proof of how disruptive it can be.

Project Khokha: The South African Reserve Bank (SARB) Blockchain POC

The pilot project was called Project Khokha. And it was a quick job – as Peter explains. The decision was made and they had to hustle to get the POC done in a couple of months. There were certain criteria that the Consensys Team has to make sure they hit.

The pilot focused on the real-time settlements between the central bank and the different commercial banks. As Peter shares, the current settlement technology (SAMOS) works very well. It does not to change.

So the question is why? And how disruptive can the really be?

There were 7 commercial banks in the Project Khokha POC project. The Central bank facilitates the settlements between each bank. So, if I bank with FNB and you are with Standard Bank, the reserve bank will manage the settlement process.

So with each bank having a ledger account with the SARB and SARB has a mirror account with each bank. With 7 commercial banks, it means we have 14 different ledgers.
Once Ledger, Real-Time Settlement. Privately.

What Peter and his Project Khokha team were able to do was consolidate the different ledgers into one ledger. They were able to run it in real time with the right privacy levels.

This is a very big deal. It means that auditors are no longer needed to check that the transactions are correct. They are verified in real time. It means that the risk of problems, errors and possible theft is dramatically reduced. No lawyers arguing over risk issues or lost money.

It Will Take Just One

While this is still a POC project, the genie is out of the bottle. It will take just one Central Bank to embrace this fully and we will see the change start happening. For us its a question of when. Not if. As we said, the blockchain will disrupt everything!


A Little Echo

The way we record our podcast is that we record live at different locations. We have a little mixer and some pretty good microphones. That said, every now and then we get caught up in a room with a bit of an echo – which is what happened here. So for any of the initial sound quality issues, we apologise.

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T:WTF 006 – Peter Munnings on the Blockchain, Central Banking, & Fiat Currency

Will a Central Bank Blockchain change they way money works? And how disruptive will it be?

It’s an important question given the truth that most people do not understand money. They cannot answer the simple questions like; What is money and where does it come from?  Perhaps this is best summed up by Henry Ford;

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

Satoshi Created Bitcoin to solve the money problem.

Satoshi created the Bitcoin token and blockchain in direct response to the 2008 financial collapse. The design of Bitcoin is to solve the money problem.

To put this into some perspective, think of money as collateralised debt. Commercial banks have the power to originate or create money. We call is the fractional reserve framework. This means that you are not borrowing someone else’s saving. Rather the bank is creating money out of nothing based on a reserve percentage.

Positive Money breaks down of how banks create money and what the issue with debt is.

Central Banks and Blockchain!

The Central bank does not originate money in the form of commercial debt. The central bank does print real money in the form of cash. What you carry around in your wallet. They are also responsible for the countries Fiat Currency.

But what happens if Central Banks started putting their fiat currencies onto the blockchain? This has the power and potential to change everything.

In this What’s The Future podcast, we chat to Consensys’s Peter Munnings. Peter is building some amazing blockchain technology within the banking space.

We dig into this subject and it opens up some very interesting possibilities. Here is some stuff that you will get of this podcast:

  • Peter goes into a bit of background into the growth of Consensus, the work they are doing.
  • What happens when you issue a countries currency onto the Blockchain. What are the implication and the compliance frameworks that it needs?
  • Peter breaks down wholesale banking. This looks at inter-banking payment facility through Central Banks. The idea is to increase resilience and reduce costs. This leads to the cross-border payments cross borders.
  • Of course, we spoke about how a Central Bank’s Blockchain can solve SASSA and Fees Must Fall. The big issue is the last mile and giving people access to their money. A lot of work is being done in this area and its a matter of time.
  • What is the implication of full reserve banking? This is a move away from a fractional reserve banking system. The implication is huge. And it is now possible with Blockchain technology. This will stabilise the boom-bust cycle that we currently experience. What happens when we turn money from a Liability to an Asset.
  • And what happens when we have one ledger system rather than multiple ledgers. Every intermediary in the banking chain has their own ledger. A Central Bak Blockchain can streamline this into one ledger.

T:WTF 005 Colin Iles on the world of Innovation

Innovation is everything in a world of fast constant change. To get a better handle on this we sat down with Colin Iles, whose is a bit of a rockstar in the innovation space.


Fear The Future

Colin shares why you need to fear the future. Given that you do not know what’s coming, you cannot afford to be complacent. What we can say with certainly is that things are moving incredibly fast. And the most powerful way to manage the disruption is to create it rather than ignoring or reacting to it.
This conversation got Brett all excited about his old days at Google, where he shares his Google experience. He talks to us about why they are so petrified of the 2 person business. They worry about what it can do to their business model. Which makes sense when you consider that Google was a 2 man business at some stage.
What this means is that you need to keep innovating. Or as Colin says, lets forget about innovation and just call it what it is: Problem solving.

How To Win In The world of Innovation

We recorded this conversation at The Equinox in Sandton. Its an ABSA initiative to help clients innovate and help them b grow. Colin is the CEO and spend s a lot of him time advising the C-Suite on Innovation.
Click here to get more info about The Equinox?
You can also follow Colin on LinkedIn. He shares a lot of thinking around innovation and why you have to a Massive Transformational Purpose as an organisation.

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Fast Constant Change is the new normal. As soon as a new digital solution has been implemented it’s out of date. New disruption is coming. This is why we see new digital businesses like Uber deliberately disrupting themselves.

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T:WTF 004 – Uber’s Justin Spratt Talks the Gig Economy

The Gig Economy is huge and growing every day. As part of the future of work (FoW), we wanted to understand this phenomenon. Like blockchain, it has the potential to disrupt!

To get a better understanding of what is currently going on we chat with Justin Spratt. Justin shares on his personal views about the Gig economy.

The Gig Economy Bigger Picture

And while Justin is currently at UBER, this is not a podcast about Uber and what is happening at Uber. It is a more in-depth look at the current situation and discussion around this topic.

As some of you may know, both Brett and I have worked for a gig economy company called M4Jam. It was a great idea that did not live up to its potential. But that’s a whole other story!

The point is that we joined the business given the potential that micro-jobs have to change the world.

The idea is to give people a way people to earn small amounts of money doing different, small job. You want to enable people to utilising the under-used resources they currently have.

This could be an asset, labour, time or any other form of resource.

The Potential To Change The World

In a country like South Africa, this is huge. We have one of the worst Gini Coefficients in the world and something needs to be done. The desperation and despair that most people live in today is extreme.

This was an interesting chat with Justin – who was suffering from a cold! So we really appreciate him taking the time and sharing!


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T:WTF 003 – Why The Blockchain Will Disrupt Everything

Monica Singer is the creator of opportunities for Consensys South Africa. She is a strong advocate for building blockchain solutions after her experience at Strate.  And it’s no wonder when you think about how it will redefine how we live our lives.

Andrew Keys and Monica Singer Explain Why The Blockchain Will Disrupt Everything

In this Podcast, she gets to introduce us to her “Boss”. Andrew works at Consensys and has been there since the beginning (he even denied he was employee number 1). As he explains Consensus is a Holacracy (Google it), you get his Andrew’s reaction. But Holacracy aside. Andrew was an explosion of information! He gave us a brilliant break down why the Blockchain will disrupt everything. He also shared what the Consensys Vision is and why they are so passionate about changing the world.

The Internet’s 94 of 96

Andrew points out we are in the internet’s 94 of 96. This makes the blockchain and exciting, yet untested model. It has the potential to solve the world’s most common problem; The Geni Co-efficient! He explains 85 individuals have the same amount of wealth as 3,5 billion people. He goes on to explains that trust is everything. Yet, until now, trust needs to work through an intermediary. He is working on commoditising trust. Freaking nuts right! Andrew also explained how the world we are moving into is broken into 3 foundational aspects:

  • Self Sovereign Identity
  • Peer to Peer Interactions
  • Natively Digital Assets

Why is this important?

It will open up a whole new world of commerce. It builds the critical element of trust. And with the growing interoperability of the Blockchain, it will affect you! And this is why you have to learn about this. Monica makes the profound point that capitalism is based on the recording of The Ledger. And she will know! She is a Charted Account, an ex-World bank employee and previous CEO of Strate. Strate the intermediary that runs the JSE backend and is where Monica built a blockchain. In this podcast, Andrew’s expands on his talk that The Blockchain Will Disrupt Everything.

Watch Andrew’s Keynote

Here is Andrew’s shortened bio:

Andrew drives the enterprise business development strategy for ConsenSys and co-founded ConsenSys Enterprise, to create Ethereum blockchain solutions for Fortune 500 companies and governments. Andrew co-created the first Ethereum Blockchain-as-a-Service offering with Microsoft and catalyzed the creation of Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, an open-source cross-industry initiative focused on permeating Ethereum technology through enterprise environments.

Andrew keys and Monica Singer at the Blockchain Africa Confrence
Andrew keys and Monica Singer from Consensys talking about blockchain disruption

The Blockchain Africa Conference

Blockchain Africa Conference
Blockchain Africa Conference

The WTF #ThinkDigital Podcast spent two days interviewing many of the groundbreaking speakers at the Blockchain Africa Conference (#BAC18). The big topic was inter-operability and how the blockchain is maturing.


T:WTF 002 – Practical Insight on Building an IoT Startup with Mark Allewell

No one has been fired for not implementing an IoT solution. That’s how new this technology and thinking really is. And it’s why we wanted to talk to Mark Allewell. He’s the founder and CEO of IoT business Sensor Networks.

Iot Is a big issue – especially for Brett who digs deep into using Googles IoT Core through our digital interventions. But he’s a geek. What I like about IoT is how it redesigning the way networked intelligence works and moving intelligence to the edge.

The Idea For Network Sensors

Mark for stumbled into the idea of what would become Sensor Networks while taking the time out to travel the world. Mark had sold off tourism Radio and needed a timeout and was travelling the world.

The idea behind Sensor Networks is to help insurance companies reduce risk, through smart sensors. Its a highly focused business and Mark is dogmatic about what he says no to. It was this attitude and approach to business that was really inspiring about this conversation.  

Entrepreneurial Wisdom

Brett and I love talking to entrepreneurs. Yet through these chats, we do see the difference between an entrepreneur who is truly enterprising and one who is just ticking over.. Mark is one of the former. He has taken his battle scars and turned them into real wisdom.

What was an unexpected outcome of this chat was the wisdom Mark shares a lot of his entrepreneurial experiences. He talks about the key lessons that he learned along the way, He expands on how he’s evolved into the IoT/Technology space.

Mark offers some very practical, solid advise around getting the business going, raising the cash to grow the business.

This is one of those good podcasts that Brett and I turned to each after said. Boom. That’s as a ripper.

Find Mark

If you want to find more info on Mark and Network Sensors, please click on the respective links:

Linkedin | Twitter | Company Website

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T:WTF 001 – Welcome To The Think WTF Podcast

Welcome to the Think WTF Podcast. The above short podcast is a quick intro to the Think WTF Podcast. However, if you want to get a quick sense of the show I have summarised it up below.

We all know that everything has changed and that digital technology is the redefining force.

This change causes many of us great anxiety and frustration. We often get caught in what we call that WTF Moment – that’s when you sit back and say to yourself, “WTF Do I Do Now? Everything has changed! How do I thrive in this new digital world.”

It tough.

To help inspire your thinking and to shift you from where you are we talk to the rebels, the misfits, the change makers. We talk to the people who are poking the world and reshaping it. We explore whats the future and explore how we live, work and think about how the future is done.

We focus on the change that technology brings and how you can use it to Thrive!


The Future of Work (recorded live at Huawei Innovation Zone)

The Futurology team goes live in the Huawei Innovation Zone. To change things around a bit we decided to do a live podcast with Brian Armstrong on the Future of Work.

We were joined by a live audience who added their 2 cents worth. It was a fascinating, in-depth discussion that digs into what the #FoW means and where it is all going.

The audience joined in with a few questions and kept the conversation interactive and entertaining.

This show was originally published on the cliffcentral.com Futurology Page 

The Future Financial Crisis

The team chats with maverick economist Prof. Steve Keen. Steve was one of the very few economists who predicted the 2008 financial crisis and has just written the book, Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? (The Future of Capitalism).

The short answer is no, we can’t avoid another financial crisis. To understand this, we dig into why Professor Keen’s prediction goes against mainstream economists. We also look at how this crisis will hit South Africa and the current thinking on how to solve our current economic challenge.

You can find the book Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? here.

More information and insights on Prof. Keen here.

Follow Steve on Twitter: @ProfSteveKeen

This show was originally published on the cliffcentral.com Futurology Page

AI, Data, Education & Robotics

Kicking off with some of the interviews from the Singularity University Summit, the team chats to David Roberts on what Exponential is all about – and how Ice disrupted the world.

They dig into AI and the world of data with Viviene Ming… she’s power and a ball of passionate inspiration. They also look at education with Sizwe Nxasana, CEO of RMB and is now passionately trying to solve Africa’s education.

This is followed by Sarah Berg Breiter and the world of Robotics (she likes the small ones – with good reason).

This show was originally published on the cliffcentral.com Futurology Page


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